And what'd you think of the STFU?
What did you think of the union personally?
Oh, personally, I thought it was just a grandiose scheme that had no practical basis at all. There was no way in the world they could ever organize a union. I was opposed to it because my views were colored by the people I'm representing. I'm representing Lee Wilson Company and I'm representing other big planters. So, I wasn't objective about it. But as objective as I could be, I would say that was maybe a resort that they had to use to get attention. There's an old story about, they always talk about mules and how he's lazy and indifferent. A mule was, you know, you're trying to climb and everything, he just stop in his track. And the only way you could get his attention is to pick up a large club, a two by four, and hit him over the head. Once you got his attention then the mule would start moving. And that was the same theory, I think, of Norman Thomas and Mitchell. Maybe if you hit them on the head, the landowners, you'd get their attention.